Tuesday, December 06, 2005

More on "Christmas Under Attack"

As it has now been brought to my attention that the left and corporate America have for the first time ever joined forces so that they could victimize Christians by banning the celebration of Christmas, I have been paying very close attention to advertising and signage. While I didn't see a single tree lot advertising "holiday" trees, I have heard many mentions of "happy holidays" instead of Merry Christmas in commercials. It then occured to me that perhaps these retail giants might not be doing this as a coordinated attack on Christians, but because they want to make as much money as they possibly can from people who might celebrate some of the other holidays that come this time a year. Even Fox News is doing it, with their O'Reilly Factor Holiday Ornaments (at least they were until it swept across the blogosphere - they've since changed it to Christmas). Now, many of these folks who are pumping up this war against Christmas that isn't are the same people who support unfettered corporate capitalist policies. So, my question to those who keep on beating the drum that there is this supposed war against Christmas going on... why do you hate capitalism so much? You don't see a problem with a corporation maximizing profits by outsourcing, or union busting, or cutting benefits, but if they try to attract more customers you have your panties in a knot? And why are you even on this silly bandwagon? Because Bill O'Reilly and Charles Gibson whipped you into this idiotic mob mentality so they could get higher November ratings? Just how dumb are you people?


Blogger James said...

I'm divided on the issue... when companies like Wal-Mart, Lowe’s, Target etc have Holiday Sales... I could care less.

"Holiday" sales are exactly that, sales during the Holidays that fall at the end of the year (Thanksgiving, Hanukah, Christmas, etc.) so there is no need to declare it a sale for only ONE of those Holidays.

Where I draw the line, is when they sell an item that IS designated for a particular holiday (i.e. a Christmas tree) and generalize the item to include all. The Christmas tree is a Christian icon used in celebration of the Christmas Holiday, it is not an icon used in celebration of Thanksgiving, or Hanukah or anything else therefore it is NOT a Holiday Tree.

I am willing to bet that if the Menorah became a "Holiday Candle Holder" you would have plenty of incensed Jewish folk.

12/06/2005 09:37:00 AM  
Blogger Liberal Traitor said...

James, I tend to agree, though I must split a few hairs... The Christmas Tree was not originally a Christian thing. Like the date of Christmas was moved from Jesus' actual date of birth to coincide with the pagan celebration of the solstice, the tree was also co-opted from the pagans, along with wreaths and yule logs. I have yet to see anything advertising "holiday trees" though.

12/06/2005 09:51:00 AM  
Blogger Miz BoheMia said...

I found this interesting article with regards to Christmas trees, via my husband, a while back. It is a little known fact but, so what?

In this age of "political correctness" society is running rampant, like a chicken with its head cut off. There is no rhyme or reason to it all. What are people truly outraged about?

If it is true tolerance and equality we are worried about, what name we assign the holidays or some freaking tree isn't going to cut it. The Iraq war, the backlash against Muslims, the second-class citizenship status of women and homosexuals, poverty, famine... you name it and choose your cause... might be better places on which to place our focus!

As far as using "political correctness" if we can call this that, as a sales tactic, are we really that surprised? Let them do it for all I care! It really will not change my shopping habits and if others are fickle and ignorant enough to be affected by such obvious and ludicrous tactics should have only themselves to blame. I mean, come on people!

12/06/2005 10:56:00 AM  
Blogger James said...

Ok, I understand that Christmas Tress were not ORIGINALLY a Christian Symbol, that is a given and anyone ever remotely familiar with the history of the Catholic Church can tell you that MANY of our current 'traditions' were not invented by the church themselves.

Being that they have been in practice for quite some time, it is not regarded as an attempt to entice Pegans anymore.

Take a look back a couple weeks on my blog, you'll see a photo taken of a banner at an Austin, TX Lowe's... it has since been changed BACK to Christmas Trees though so I guess it wouldn't TECHINALLY count ;)

12/06/2005 11:22:00 AM  
Blogger Beth said...

Liberal Traitor, It might surprise you to know that I actually don't have a problem with 'Happy Holidays'. I didn't have a problem with it until the companies started EXCLUDING Merry Christmas.

I know Christmas Trees, and many Christian traditions are taken from pagan religions that were prevelant at the time Christianity was a budding religion.

That's not the point. The point is that most people don't know that and associate those things with Christmas and the Christian religion. It's about EXCLUDING them - regardless of whatever their origins might have been.

Thanks for the debate :)

12/06/2005 11:58:00 AM  
Blogger Beth said...

BTW - I notice your blog is for rent.

I was wondering how liberal you really are. Would you allow ME into your neighborhood?

I bet that makes you shudder! lol Just teasing you.


12/06/2005 12:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Donna said...

Hey San Francisco,
Your capitalism angle if way off. Check the demographics of the US (not o San Francisco or California) and you'll see there's not all that much money to be made from "the other religions."

BTY California isn't the center of the universe.


12/06/2005 01:49:00 PM  
Blogger Liberal Traitor said...

Beth, if you want to rent my blog, your credits are good, though I often get many bids and tend to choose the blog that I enjoy reading the most. By all means, put in a bid and let's see if you make the grade.

If the stores are excluding ALL of the winter holidays and instead just covering it all with a generic Happy Holidays, is that really such an assault on just Christmas?

I do think it's absolutely ridiculous for people to sell "holiday trees," but a few isolated instances of overly PC Stupidity really make it a coordinated attack?

Please don't think I take issue with your right to have an opinion different from mine. I may strongly disagree with your opinion, but it's the fact that you're putting it in a blog entitled "Merry Christmas" that I have a real problem with. Call me old fashioned, but I think a Christmas blog should not be about politics.

12/06/2005 01:56:00 PM  
Blogger Liberal Traitor said...

Donna, not all that much money is not NO money, and the only thing that corporations need to do, by law, is to maximize profits for their shareholders. Why do you hate capitalism?

12/06/2005 02:03:00 PM  
Blogger priscilla grim said...

yeah yeah that sucks-- how come you denied my "Rent yr blog" bid?

12/06/2005 09:45:00 PM  
Blogger Arlen Crawford said...

It appears, LT, pretty dumb. I do not have a problem with people selling me anything so long as it's legal, and that includes Walmart, the cheapest store in town.

If the clerk says anything, just as long as it's not "Heil Hitler," I'm fine with it.

However, when my sale is $17.63 and I hand them $20.03, I wish I could wipe that quizical look off their face.

12/07/2005 04:08:00 AM  
Blogger Liberal Traitor said...

Priscilla, you came in a very close second. Let's try again in a week.

Arlen, I would guess that you might see slightly smarter people at the registers of the retail giants if these stores weren't racing to the bottom of labor costs. Have you heard about that new Wal-Mart documentary?

12/07/2005 08:54:00 AM  
Blogger Beth said...

My dear friend Liberal Traitor,

I have read your posts and your comments on my blog. And have taken all of your suggestions under a considerable amount of consideration.

After much contemplation and the picking off of fleas. I have come to the very uncomfortable position of having to concede you have maybe made perhaps just a tiny little tad of a little bit of a point in the Merry Christmas political blog issue.

In deference to your suggestions and out of a deep and enduring respect for our new found close friendship, I have made the agonizing decision to post daily (maybe) Christmas recipes on the Merry Christmas blog.

I only cook when there are pending nuclear holocausts immediately threatening my own personal neighborhood. Hopefully, that gives you some idea of what a real sacrifice it is for me to trudge out holiday - opps - Christmas recipes just for YOU.


smooches back at cha

12/08/2005 04:56:00 PM  
Blogger Liberal Traitor said...

It's a Christmas miracle! And that recipe looks delish! In honor of the season, I'll be posting a beautiful Christmas song.

12/08/2005 06:45:00 PM  

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