Friday, January 06, 2006

Bush and Domestic Spying

When I see ads like this, I wish I worked for the DNC now instead of during the embarassment that was the Gore campaign.

8 Comments:

Blogger James said...

Several problems with that ad... my BIGGEST concern is that last bit.

"America Deserves the Truth - Democrats.com"

I just about laughed myself out of the chair. That's almost as funny as Pelosi telling me that the Republican Party is the "party of corruption".

BOTH are just as corrupt as the other... they just like to give each other "lessons" on how to be corrupt like the other guy.

FISA requires that intelligence gathering regarding conversations to which "U.S. persons" are a party can only be done pursuant to a search warrant issued (usually in secret) by the special FISA court. The FISA court issues warrants based on findings of probable cause, yet far too often instances that NEED warrants, are too pressing, or involve too many people to sort them out into individual warrants. By the time that is done, you have lost valuable intelligence, which is why the law, and the regulations that implement it, allow the Attorney General to bypass the FISA court.

Under Section 4 of USSID 18, communications which are known to be to or from U.S. persons can't be intentionally intercepted without: (a) the approval of the FISA court is obtained; OR (b) the approval of the Attorney General of the United States with respect to "communications to or from U.S. PERSONS outside the United States"

In fact USSID goes on to say, "when securing the approval of the Attorney General is not practical because...the time required to obtain such approval would result in the loss of significant foreign intelligence and would cause substantial harm to national security."

If the people subjected to the intelligence gathering weren't "U.S. persons," if Attorney General Gonzales made certain findings (which he did, according to several accounts) and if the NSA went ahead because it reasonably believed it would lose significant foreign intelligence if it held its hand, the operation is legal. Period.

1/06/2006 09:37:00 AM  
Blogger Liberal Traitor said...

I know, there's notbody trustworthy or clean in politics today. I still tend to distrust democrats slightly less than I distrust republicans, and I can't think of any republicans I distrust more than members of the Bush administration. Do you really expect people like then not to not abuse their powers? Look at the track record. There are already reports saying that members of the press were spied on in all of this.

1/06/2006 12:12:00 PM  
Blogger James said...

I never said they wouldn't "abuse" it, and if they do, and it's PROVEN not just rumored to have happened... throw the book at them.

Keep in mind, the media that is reporting all of this, is the same media that botched the reporting on Katrina AND this recent miner story. I trust them less than I trust politicians.

1/06/2006 02:40:00 PM  
Blogger Liberal Traitor said...

Are you really willing to give BushCo. the benefit of the doubt on this given their track record of perfect honesty and never abusing anything just because you don't trust the media?

1/06/2006 02:58:00 PM  
Blogger James said...

I'm not giving anyone a ride, but from the recent track record of the MSM, I don't trust them AT ALL.

P.S. - go check out "Doctor Life"

1/09/2006 07:52:00 AM  
Blogger Liberal Traitor said...

I KNEW IT! What a brilliant satirist. The dead wife thing really helped prove it for me. Who would be posting about the evils of Harry Potter while his wife is on her deathbed let alone blogging about anything?

Now, back to the topic at hand, just out of curiousity how would you rank the following in terms of most to least trustworthy...

Mainstream print media
Mainstream TV media
Bloggers
Republicans
Democrats
Corporations
Think Tanks
Lobbyists
The Executive branch
The Judicial branch
The Legislative branch

1/09/2006 08:56:00 AM  
Blogger James said...

Just a quick reorder but this is basically how I would rank them. (I'm at work so I did it fairly quickly)

Think Tanks
The Executive branch
Republicans
Democrats
Bloggers
Corporations
The Legislative branch
Mainstream print media
Mainstream TV media
The Judicial branch
Lobbyists

1/09/2006 09:26:00 AM  
Blogger Liberal Traitor said...

Interesting.

1/09/2006 10:04:00 AM  

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